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    DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:20 pm

    Here’s my attempt at DIY’ing a stirrer to keep my alk, calc and mag properly mixed in their containers.

    I got the idea on line, what was done was someone took a computer fan and attached magnets to it and when applying power to the fan it transferred the motion to the stir bar via magnetic field.

    Since I had 3 of these fans lying around I thought that I would attempt the project.

    I have a bunch of these little earth magnets, I fear that they will be too small to achieve what I want though, we’ll see.


    The fan with the stir stick on it.


    I glued the magnets to the fan, they rest right on the edge of the inner hub of the fan.

    I ended up attaching 2 magnets to each side, north up on one side and south up on the other

    This is an old cell phone charger that I found in a box, I clipped the connector off the wire and exposed the 2 power wired.




    Now that it’s all set up I put the fan underneath a flat furface.


    Cup of water directly over top.


    Dropped the stir magnet in.


    And here’s a video of my first attempt


    Still have a ways to go but there you have it so far. Any helpful guidance is welcomed.


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by dwolson2 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:10 pm

    "this video is private" it looks like it could work, although I would like to see.....


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by shortbus on Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:40 am

    That looks pretty cool, how did you thinik of that? Are you an electronic genius? I'd like to see what you come up with when trying to control the speed of the motor. I don't think that using a variable resistor will work.
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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by dwolson2 on Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:50 pm

    A rheostat switch is pretty easy to wire in. I have seen them used for motors before.


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:02 pm

    shortbus wrote:That looks pretty cool, how did you thinik of that? Are you an electronic genius? I'd like to see what you come up with when trying to control the speed of the motor. I don't think that using a variable resistor will work.

    I can never make out if you are being serious with your questions or not. If you read the first post, I got the idea of using magnets and a computer fan from a home brewing forum that people were using this technique to stir in the yeast, (not 100% what that process entails in the beer making hobby) but using this instead of an actual stirrer is a lot d more fun and cheaper.

    dwolson2 wrote:A rheostat switch is pretty easy to wire in. I have seen them used for motors before.

    You're right, you can use a potentiometer (pot or variable resistor) to control motor output, but depending on the current flow you will create heat via the resistant quality of the pot, so the wattage of the pot has to be fairly high when used to run a motor 24/7. So what I intend to do is instead of converting that energy to heat via the variable resistor, I will use an IC (more specific a trigger inverter) coupled with diodes, transistor and capacitors to store the energy and use it via a pulse varying the pulse using a smaller pot, that way the energy isn’t wasted into heat. It's a fairly simple circuit, I was going to draw it out today at lunch, because I'm a visual person I need to see the flow of current to make sure it'll work before I attempt to build it.

    I doubt that I will be able to use a rheostat in this circuit, I’m going to need both ends of the fixed resistor in the pot for continuity. We’ll see.

    It’s definitely going to be fun, unless it doesn’t work. Sad



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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:17 pm

    Well here it is,


    If someone can critique it to verify it will work, that would be great.

    I will label the values of each component later, I need to see what the motor and phone charger are rated at.

    I'm not 100% on the integrated circuit, that one in the schematic has 4 triggers but I only really need 2. Really only 1 but the second is to reverse the revers, and if my wiring is backwards I can use a third to reverse it again, by then it would be a very clean signal.... Smile


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:26 pm

    I'm also thinking that the transistor is over kill and not necessary, but because it's going to be running non stop I figured I'd toss it in there, and use one that is robust enough to handle the constant current flow (500-600mA).

    Oh on another note, I was able to get bigger earth magnets and I messed with them yesterday. they will definitely do the job. the only problem I found was that the magnet is so powerful that the motor (when energized) can't start to spin because the earth magnets are holding things in place. I don't want to go any more elaborate and wind a start coil to the motor so I may put a spacer between the magnet and the motor windings, easy fix.


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by shortbus on Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:08 pm

    Nope, I'm quite serious. So with that circuit can you substitute that motor for LED's? if I understand it you are using the NPN transistor as an electronic swithch to pulse on and off instead of varying voltage?
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    Post by sisterlimonpot on Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:32 pm

    umm. I think you can, but you will have to remove the red wire that is coming from the phone charger and use the appropereate voltage and amperage (that is dependant on if you choose a parallel or a series circiut) for the particular LED's that you choose to use.

    Yes the transistor is receiving the signal (orange wire) to the base and that allows corrent from the motor to continue through the collector out the emmitter (completes the path).

    Because it is a pulse of either on or off, the amount of dwell will determine how bright the led is or in my case the speed of the motor, by using the transistor, it's going to be able to turn on and off the circiut on the ground side roughly from 10-7000 times per second (so our eye will only see this as bright or dim led’s or fast or slow motor).

    I think that if you use LED's you'll have to parallel the orange wire to miltiple transistors that look just like the right side of the circuit that I drew. you just mirror that many times over depending on the number of LED's that you use.

    But lets focus on this first…


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by shortbus on Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:52 pm

    ok, hurry up so we can focus on a dimmable led set-up. What's the purpose of C1 and why are the other 2 inputs grounded on the IC? Oh and what does ZD stand for?
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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:13 am

    Let me say up front, I'm barely a novice at this, it's been a long time since I've done anything like this so my answers may not be 100% accurate, and I'm not sure that this circuit is going to do anything but fry, but that's where the fun lies. My Step dad was a genius when it came to electronics. He taught me quite a bit. But that was easily 19 years ago. I’m quite rusty and I can’t find my books to help me out.

    The purpose of C1 is to smooth out the power supply to the logic chip, if it wasn't there the circuit would still work but there might be a glitch that would affect the output power.

    As for the grounded inputs, I’m not completely sure why they are, I just know that if they aren’t being used they need to be set to ground or the circuit wont work.

    ZD stands for zener diode, it acts the same as a regular diode except it allows current to pass the opposite direction when certain conditions are met, in this case if there is a spike in the supply power it allows it to go to ground instead through the motor.

    I have figured out the list of components that I need, so now I will search for the parts and see what I can come up with. I should be able to find everything on mouser website.






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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:27 am

    here's a video with the new magnets.





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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by clownfish14 on Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:37 am

    Dude you could sell these. Make me one?


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:51 am

    I bought enough electron parts to make 2 complete components. just in case I wire something in backwards, I have a replacements on hand.

    the parts only cost $7.50 through the site but they charged another $10 to ship them.

    It seems that they are all off the shelf parts I bet I could've gotten them from fry's or radio shack.

    if it works it would be no problem making you one.



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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by clownfish14 on Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:58 am

    Ok cool


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:18 pm

    well, instead of waiting until Monday, I went to Fry's today and grabbed everything that I needed. They didn't have the same exact parts that I ordered which isn't a big deal. the whole reason for going there today was to get a blank circuit board because I forgot to order one, but instead I grabbed one of each and headed to the register (BTW ordering online is a lot cheaper even with shipping). After getting home I got started soldering.
    First the 14 pin IC socket was soldered on:




    Then the 2 capacitors:



    The 2 diodes:



    The 10K ohm potentiometer and resistor:



    The transistor went on next:



    Here's the underneath, I still have to solder a bunch of jumper wires but I will do that after dinner:



    Once I get it buttoned up and ready I will shoot a video of it either working or burning up... Wish me luck!!!


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:33 pm

    Looks like I did something right!!! Woo hoo!



    Because the voltage from the phone charger was so low, I had to bypass R2 because it wasn't sending enough current to the base of the transistor. A minor miscalculation on my part. however if I want to upgrade to a bigger power source I can do so. And if that's all the headache I got then I'll take it.

    Next step is to put a container over the magnets and stir some water for a day to see if anything needs to be heat sinked. I doubt it but I will let it run over night to be sure.


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:10 am

    One more in action


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by fishfry on Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:17 am

    Wow, that's awsome. I've seen plenty of these being made but never one using a speed control to throttle the speed..

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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by Gorgok on Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:23 am

    you can market and sell those if you wanted to.
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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:09 am

    I had some fun and put food coloring into the jar to see how it mixed...


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:10 am

    Here's the actual schematic of what I did


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by clownfish14 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:15 am

    Looks good Jimmy good job. your using that for your dosing right?


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:33 am

    Gorgok wrote:you can market and sell those if you wanted to.
    Naw,this is something that anyone could do, I just want to make it easier for the ones that want to attempt, to have all the information to do so. I saw plenty of videos of attaching magnets to the motors but nothing about what they used to regulate the motor speed, so I wanted to just clarify it and hopefully make it easier to understand and follow.
    clownfish14 wrote:Looks good Jimmy good job. your using that for your dosing right?

    Yep, my package came today but UPS didn't leave it at the door. I was hoping to make another one using the proper hex converter to see if it makes any difference by having a smoother control.


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by nikecivic on Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:57 am

    I like the idea of doing some engineering with tank components! I would create the same thing but I have no room for my dosing reservoir. I have my alk & calcium in a quart liquid container and fill it up every week.


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    Post by sisterlimonpot on Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:47 am

    yeah, I had mine is small 120 ml containers that I had to constantly monitor, I really don't have the room under my tank either, I'm still not sure where these stir plates are gooing to go.


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by shapermike on Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:40 am

    cool project.
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    Post by sisterlimonpot on Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:26 pm

    Yeah, it turned out to be a lot more work than expected, I really had a hard time trying to find the time to finish it but it's done.



    Just as I suspected, it stirred up a lot of debris in the alkalinity container and there was stringy stuff peeling away from the glass and tube.

    I'll have to monitor the alk and calc closely over the next week to make sure that I don't overdose. but there you have it....


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by clownfish14 on Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:42 pm

    Dude thats cool! I love the little box you made for them! Great idea!


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by dwolson2 on Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:04 pm

    So are. You going to try to integrate it into your ac3?


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    Post by clownfish14 on Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:19 pm

    I dont see why he would. There is no reason to be able to controll the fans through a controller. Mostly they will be on the same speed


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    Post by dwolson2 on Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:23 pm

    But if he was going to dose at the top of the hour, the fans could come on 5 min before dosing.


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    Post by sisterlimonpot on Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:42 pm

    no. its going to run 24/7. there's no reasons to have it go through the controller.

    dw did you notice that I finally pulled from your play book and frosted the acrylic? Wink


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by fishfry on Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:11 pm

    Awesome idea man,

    I see that on RC, people are starting to line up to have you make them for them.

    Are you going to start selling them?
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    Post by clownfish14 on Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:45 pm

    Thats what i was saying! You could make some big bucks! Come up with a cool name become a sponsor and start selling them!


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by Squeaker on Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:11 am

    How much would you charge for 2 single ones?
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    Post by sisterlimonpot on Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:29 am

    Or, or.. now stay with me here...just thinking out loud.... what you can do, is go get the stuff and make it yourself.... then you'll have the satisfaction of accomplishing this project yourself...


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    Post by clownfish14 on Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:30 am

    Lol ya but that takes effort affraid


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by shapermike on Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:02 am

    looking at the scamitic I was woundering what ic chip you used. verry cool project, are oyu going to post the part listing?
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    Post by dwolson2 on Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:05 pm

    sisterlimonpot wrote:no. its going to run 24/7. there's no reasons to have it go through the controller.

    dw did you notice that I finally pulled from your play book and frosted the acrylic? Wink
    Yup, looks nice
    sisterlimonpot wrote:Or, or.. now stay with me here...just thinking out loud.... what you can do, is go get the stuff and make it yourself.... then you'll have the satisfaction of accomplishing this project yourself...
    Or you can stop complaining and make a little $, maybe even make it less diy and more production. Mass produce it at a good price. Give people the option of buying it from you or doing it themselves.


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    Post by sisterlimonpot on Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:58 pm

    Mike, i wanted to use a 74ac14 hex converter but ended up using a 74hc14 instead. it works fine for what I used it for but the ac would have had a clear signal. but the 0.1 hf capacitor handles them both just fine.

    if you make one be sure to post it here.


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    Post by sisterlimonpot on Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:12 pm

    dw,
    don't get me wrong, I will make them for club members, as long as you purchase the parts or I can go get the parts and you can pay me back for them. I will make them all day long.


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    Post by sisterlimonpot on Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:41 pm

    So here it is under the tank. You can see that it is spinning really slow, just enough to keep me happy that things will stay properly mixed as well as not stirring it up too much that the undissolved sediment doesn't get added to the tank.




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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by shortbus on Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:37 am

    That turned out pretty good. it looks very clean.
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    Post by fishfry on Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:05 am

    That video puts it into perspective. looks good. you seriously could sell those...

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    Post by Squeaker on Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:36 am

    So you have had it in use for a week now, anything to report?
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    Post by sisterlimonpot on Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:26 am

    Squeakity Squeak, Squeaker,

    Everything seems to be working fine, the alkalinity has allowed the non dissolved solids to be pushed to the side, the calcium on the other hand has some sort of clear/whitish slime in there that has attached to the stirrer, not sure what or where the slime came from, maybe Paul will comment.

    I'm waiting for the containers to empty, so that I can give them a good rinsing and see if it continues.


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    Re: DIY Stirrer

    Post by sisterlimonpot on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:44 am

    So here's a schematic for using this schmitt trigger to dim leds.



    IC1 is a 74AC14 hex inverter
    C1-C2 are 0.1 µF capacitors
    R1 10K ohm potentiometer
    D1-D2 1N914 or 1N4148 will do

    The only thing you have to research is the transistor (T1). What ever the driver output for the LED's is you have to make sure the transistor can handle that across the collector and emitter, the base will receive the digital signal from the inverter (5v max). For example if the LED power supply is rated 18v 1.2amps the transistor has to be able to constantly handle that force and current flow. When choosing T1 some transistors will have peak ratings labeled in their description make sure you look at constant ratings, going bigger is fine as long as you don't go too big though, because you'll have to compensate for a larger voltage drop. Oh and make sure it is an NPN not a PNP...

    I can't 100% guarantee this will work the way it's supposed to, it won't harm the LED's nor the LED's power supply but you may have the lights flicker under certain conditions.

    I wont be trying this unless someone has some LED's laying around that they are willing to let me experiment with, otherwise have fun on your own...

    You can also go a bit more in depth and utilize 2 more inputs and outputs of the hex inverter and use it to control another set of LED's such as one controlling the white lights and the other controlling the blues that way you can fine tune the color you want.

    When I have time I will draw that one up as well.


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